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and i think the rest of the media didn't understand how this was possible where did this come from. some kind of just genius singularity or did it come out of some larger tradition or is it the technology that he used so i i went on this kind of you have a quest to trace the ideas behind wiki leaks and then just you know once a sort of found the tradition that comes out of which is to say for punks a group that's been around since the mid ninety's who have always dreamed of using encryption to to take power from the government and give it to individuals i conceded that he was actually using technologies that are freely available that have been developing for decades and once you see that you have to wonder who is going to use those technologies next it's not if this isn't all just about julian a songe and it's actually a movement that's been developing for decades then it seems inevitable that it's going to keep evolving and then we're going to have another wiki leaks and another manning and maybe another songe you traveled around the world to understand the ins and outs of the hacking community you were tracking cypherpunks and you
also spoke to members of other groups such as anonymous paranoia and open leaks well in two thousand and ten actually before i even spoke with a songe there was a kind of mutiny within the wiki leaks where one engineer known as the architects who is a very secretive guy who actually rebuilt the wiki leaks anonymous mission system and is known as is described has been described to me by other what he cares as a very as a genius as a brilliant arc engineer he kind of led this revolt within weeks against the sanjian who these sort of oppose his managerial style and his his strategy in terms of what documents to release when that is what they saw i suppose as a kind of. you know focus on the media spotlight rather than the most important for me and so. the german spokesperson for what he was burke left to create their own
group called openly sens eventually in two thousand and eleven i had a chance to sit down with the architect would never spoken with that reporter before and hear his story of his time the wiki leaks why you left and what open leaks is trying to do and what is openly trying to do will open the one and wants to create one and says that they want to create a more transparent more better engineered sort of cleaner more systematized version of wiki leaks and also one that would avoid wiki leaks pitfall of becoming this controversial for you know of of that it that it became after a published these all these secret documents of a few weeks you know sort of became the flashpoint for this battle for internet freedom and open leaks would rather kind of see behind the scenes pass the information directly to the media and not publish anything itself and thereby you know the plan that was that the architect and. described to me to to avoid
becoming that controversial target for the governments and for the private sector to attack to shut them down so the deal was to create a wiki leaks that had all of the sort of explosive power of granting anonymity to sources but avoided the controversy of publication and just gave the documents directly to the media i think that the reason that we haven't seen anything come from open weeks is really just speaks to the lack of credibility that the group has after the split that the you know the rupture between open leaks and wiki leaks in the in the process of of diverging i think both of them discredited the other and did more damage to each other than any intelligence agency or government could ever do as the list of these whistle blowing flash hacking groups widens or gets longer how can the government at least have the u.s. counter. act the trouble in the damage that these groups can cause well first of
all as you say this is a completely global movement and i did spend time with a group called balkan leagues in bulgaria that has very successfully replicated what we did using the same software in a lot of the same methods and they did obtain secret documents from the book area and government from from anonymous sources so this is something that has been replicated around the world in the u.s. we definitely. i think we haven't seen the other wiki leaks organization successfully you know rebuild that system but i think part of that is is as you say a backlash from the government that the obama administration has prosecuted six leakers under the espionage act more than any other presidency combined so you know absolutely that there is a there is this a new war on leakers or whistleblowers you want to call them in july the head of the u.s. national security agency travel to las vegas to attend and speak at
a hackers conference called def con this was the first time that the n.s.a. chief ever attended this conference since it began two decades ago you were there you heard him speak what did you think of his speech and why do you think the head of the n.s.a. finally decided to attend this conference when i was there i was kind of struck by the fact that this guy who who used to represent for the hacker community the enemy you know the n.s.a. has long been sort of seen as the bogeyman for hackers the you know the government's. hacker and here he was sort of in the belly of the beast it was a really bizarre situation then and he was very warmly received so that was the strangest thing of all there were there were no eggs tossed on him or what have they really weren't i mean critical questions even from this. audience of hundreds of you know somewhat subversive hackers but i think what the showed to me was
a kind of what was how the american hacker community has evolved that it's become if it ever was political it's not political anymore the mainstream the mainstream cybersecurity world in the us which is very much about government contracts and start ups and making money and you know getting those beltway deals has subsumes what might have once been a very you know radical subversive community and i think it's no coincidence that to track down the future of wiki leaks i have to travel to europe where i believe that there is a much more vibrant. politically radical hacker movements like the one that i was telling about the case communication came from berlin the chaos computer club which runs that events has maintained a separation i think from the military industrial complex that the american hackers
have and it has been a slow co-opting of american american hacker community by the government i believe how has that happened well i just think that's where the money is so they're offering hackers that are offering jobs the how absolutely that's what i wrote a story a couple months ago about classified ads that explicitly say we're looking for hackers who can build malware or who can write exploits and i don't think that i mean in some cases that might be reading exploits to tests defense systems but we know that the u.s. also created stuxnet this piece of malware that was used to shut down uranium enrichment facilities in iran so. it's it seems clear that some of the best american actors have been co-opted by the u.s. government for better or for worse what do you think motivates groups like wiki leaks and on a mess. paranoiac openly what do you think that the majority of that motivations
when i met with this on july i believe i the sense i got from him was that he truly believes that wiki leaks is a kind of engine of justice that it's releasing up all this information that in fact leaks themselves. the easier it becomes to leak information the more the more punishment is levied against immoral organizations and the more of them the more that you know benevolent organizations are rewarded he wrote this in season two thousand and six that he he saw as a very efficient way of of sifting out of the moral and immoral players and society of course was also noted motivated by his ego but i think if we if we have some kind of spectrum where. you know one side is just creating chaos and the the fun of watching stuff burn and tearing down institutions and the other side is that is a true ideology of trying to advance the justice in the world then i think
somewhere in the middle and some somebody like. a group like anonymous is much further towards the chaos side and i think that anonymous is a group that lacks of i mean they would they would say that they lack a kind of coherent ideology they just do whatever their members feel like doing at the time and often that's tearing stuff apart for the walls what do you hope that readers get from your book well i you know i think we were all shocked by it for i was shocked by collateral murder one in a period in april of two thousand and ten and to me it seemed to come out of nowhere you know i think that the media as a whole has treated this the wiki leaks phenomenon as a kind of one off strange kind of miracle or disaster whichever you want to call it and so i wanted to explore i want to explain where this came from but in the process i think that. showing the history of this movement. reveals that. the way this information is changing as
a whole and that there can be no more shared secrets that's the whole idea of secrecy among a crowd is is falling apart and i think we saw this most recently with this with the romney appearance where he was speaking what to what he thought was a private crowd in his home private but the idea of a private crowds is now an oxymoron you know there's always someone within the crowd ready to record and leak the information so i think we live in a narrow where secrecy is being redefined and that's something i just want to share with the world and finally if you could just tell me a little bit about your last conversation for us on from what i understand it was his assistant that called you on the telephone right well i was walking down fifth avenue and i i got this call from his assistant and who put him on the phone and he really just wanted to yell at me about a story i had written about about. one of the founders of open leaks who had left wiki leaks and he told me that. that basically had stolen his ideas
and that i should stop giving credit to the organization and you know that sounds like a pistol and. it is but at the same time you know he was right that open leaks has not actually succeeded to do even a fraction of what wiki leaks has done so you know to assign just credit he remains the figurehead of this movement's who you know has never been equals for better or for worse and the greenberg thank you very much for your time thank you. the stunning beauty of reindeer gracefully dancing across the arctic tundra more than just a scenic image it is a way of life for some traditionally the. people. are
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thank you very much karen welcome along to the sports headlines here's what's coming up. progress sports novak djokovic and roger federer are through to the next round of the shanghai masters without dropping a set. pedal to the floor ferrari's fernando along with this weekend's korean grand prix as he tries to take the paris lead in the top of the drivers' championship. the net boston as we bring you the best of the weekend's action from the russian premier li in gold school. but first to tennis and it's been an action packed day at the shanghai masters the second round seeing the top three seeds all progress to the first round second seed novak djokovic barely broke a sweat as he beat highly rated ball guerin youngster grigor dimitrov in straight
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